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Monday, June 11, 2012

The Grand Finale


My husband's basic desires going in to chiropractic in the first place was to help people, and to be able to provide for his modest little family. A millionaire once told him at one of his weekly chamber of commerce meetings that he diligently attended (until the dues ran out), "You need three things to be successful. You need passion, skill, and opportunity. If even one of these things are missing you won't succeed." One of my favorite comedians of all time Lucille Ball said, "Ability is of little account without opportunity." The truth of the matter is that there is not an abundance of opportunity in the chiropractic profession as it is today. You will hear differently and it will do nothing but build false hope and waste more of your time and money in the long run. Mark my word those making a viable living in this profession are the minority.



This is the truth and must be shouted from the top of every mountain so those entering the Chiropractic Schools are being informed. My husband with my support ignored all the negative nay sayers and stayed positive surrounding ourselves with expensive coaches, retreats, and resources to fuel our success. In the end we failed. We would have failed sooner had we not been so relentlessly positive! We wouldn't have lasted a month in practice with the mountain of odds that were stacked against us but we did. We practiced 26 months and always did our best. I can't say we don't have regrets reflecting back on it all but I can't say that it all wasn't for our own good.

He graduated in August 2008 with his DC. Now, with no current license to practice anywhere remains just another statistic at this point. I hope this Blog has helped at least ONE PERSON avoid the debt and disenfranchisement that is Chiropractic. Obviously I am an open book and happy to answer any of your questions about our experience.

It was very therapeutic to put our story into the form of a blog from my point of view. Should my husband resurrect his license and begin to practice chiropractic again I will resume posting. In the mean time I am laying this effort to rest. I tire of moderating the myriad of bullshit comments of people claiming to have read my blog when the comments/claims/and questions they present prove otherwise. This blog has always been my experience and opinion. No one can make this stuff up! Comments trying to disprove or put me or my husband down as a result have never been published. Even the many who have commented only to pimp out their chiro products or services.


Thank you to those of you who have followed my story sincerely and saw it for what it was.

28 comments:

  1. How are you dealing with the debt??? I left the Chiro program at Life university. I hear about discharges due to undue hardship. I have a lot of student loan also & facing a job market that only pays $10 at best per hour.

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  2. Easy... 1. Get Direct Loans to glean all your federal loans and pick the "income contingent repayment plan". 2. Stop paying Sallie Mae and ignore their cronies even if you get them to work with you it will make you feel foolish when you NEVER see your balance going down years down the road. 3. File Bankruptcy. It doesn't solve everything but it helps deal with the reality that is this profession. It is true you can get hardship student loan discharges but they require a fierce expensive attorney and even so don't typically EVER go through (thus wasting more money and getting more disenfranchised)
    Look into teaching at local colleges or secondary ed in your state. Many have alternative route to licensers but you MUST have a bachelors. If you don't, focus on getting one no matter what it takes. Good luck! The hardest thing about life is knowing what you want. Sit around and think about what it is you really want and then do it. I hope that helped.

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  3. In school they act like you will be able to pay off all of the loans. Such a scam this all is. Chiropractic schools are run like trade schools, they are not run like medical schools.

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  4. Thank you. I have my BS degree, but not the masters or DC. Thank you for sharing the info on "income contingent repayment plan".
    I want you to know you're very brave for speaking out about the Chiro colleges/university. Most are ran like a Cult. The students do not want to hear the truth. It's sad because many people as young as 20 are entering into $200,000 of debt they can never pay off.Thus, making the dream of owning a home impossible.

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  5. Sophia, I am a 2010 Logan grad... Thinking of quitting already but have nowhere to go... Your blog hits the nail on the he'd unfortunately.

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  6. My brother in law just graduated from Parker, I wish we would've found your blog before. He is now $160K in debt and no job yet. Do you have an email address where i could ask you some questions? tad_joy@yahoo.com

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  7. It is amazing how many comments I don't approve due to various chiropractic coaching/practice marketing efforts across the country to take advantage of my high google or search engine analytics. It is not because I am anti-chiropractic in the least, rather, I am pro-NON Chiropractic. I love chiropractic but modern students are being scammed. They are paying for and being trained as licensed physicians and not being able to practice due to lack of population education, marginalized insurance providers, and zero professional association support. It is a travesty!

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  8. I was joined at the hip to my chiropractor husband for 33 years, and regrettably lost him last year to cancer. He had been healthy as a horse for 30 years, working out 3 times each week with a trainer. He was exposed to carcinogens while he was working with a temp job during his senior year; we believe this exposure caused the wicked disease to flourish. My hubby would want me to help promote the profession... so I will leave my two cents.

    The chiropractic profession STILL has possibilities if you make good choices. If you are married, your spouse should be working in a stable profession, and taking care of the home bills. Don't be in a big hurry to open your own office right away. If you have a chiro colleague or a fellow graduate you could work with... two Docs working to build a practice is better than one, and the over-head can be divided. If you are fortunate enough to land work with a Senior chiropractor, you would have patient resources right away, and hopefully you would be given the opportunity to purchase the practice when he retires.

    Speaking as a medical professional... I hope the chiropractic profession grows exponentially and puts some of these old time medical offices to shame.

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  9. There is plenty of opportunity in the chiropractic profession. You have to be willing to be more than a back-cracking pain doc tho and be a lifestyle and wellness coach. I am not here to advertise for maximized living, in fact I'm not even part of the group; but, I will be tomorrow once I join. Just went to a seminar in orlando and those guys are legit. I can't see myself failing if I just apply the principles...will check back and update in 3 months (I know I will have made it by then). Maybe these are lofty expectations, but I don't think so. I've been out of school 1 year by the way and havent done anything too impressive. This next year will be a lot different.

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  10. Have you considered a move overseas? As the owner of busy clinic in Sydney, Australia, all of my Chiropractors earn in the relm of $500-$1000 per day- and that's a 6 hour day- either 8am-2pm or 2pm-8pm.

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  12. THANK YOU! I was given a ticket for solicitation without permit for hanging doorflyers promoting my practice after being a DC for a little over a year as a second career choice. The cop sneered at me and said,"You're a Doctor? The chiropractors I know all drive Bentleys." Where is this chiropractic position that provides a Bentley?

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  13. I have been practicing as a chiropractor for 2+ years. I have made 42k and 54k in my 1st two years in practice. I am still living paycheck to paycheck paying off (mostly interest) in student loan debt and continuing to have a sinking feeling that this is as good as it will get. The insurance companies are trying their best to deny payment at every turn and we continue to be ignored by the majority of the medical community. The only way to make a lot of money is to run a subluxation based practice and basically scare innocent people into coming for regular care. I am in a small evidence based practice - ART and adjust and rehab and feel like I will never get ahead. I will likely be leaving the profession and my advice to anyone thinking of entering it would be to try to get into Physician's Assistant school or become an Occupational Therapist. You still get to help people, but from inside the western medicine machine which is where you need to be to make a living that fits your skill.

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  14. Any advice on getting funding to go back to college, i have an BS degree, thus I don't quality for Pell Grant, And all of my undergrad money is maxed out!!!

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    1. My husband JUST applied to the University of Utah for towards a second bachelors and you are right, he was only offered federal backed loans no more grants. However, there was a link to apply for scholarships and stuff which is always worth the effort!! There is lots of money out there its just about taking time to access it. Worst case, more loans but make sure it is in a profession that actually makes a decent salary post graduation. Anybody else have ideas???

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  15. I was looking into Physical Therapist Assistant program. Its a 2 year degree. And the 1st year I would only have to take 2 classes a semester. The thing that's really sad is that while I was at Life university in Marietta , GA, I could left for a community college in Acworth, GA (which is about 13 miles from Life university) for the Physical Therapist Assistant Program. Thinking about starting a blog about this. A lot of students their feel trapped !!!

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  16. If you get a chance check out my blog!!

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  17. My husband has been a chiropractor for 12 & 1/2 years. We bought a doctor's office that was well established in our town, but things have not gone well. This doctor passed away from cancer less than a year after we purchased the practice. He was supposed to stay on & help build the practice in my husband's name. Because of the way the transition happened, & for a variety of other reasons, the practice has been a Money Pit. Our gross income this past year was 80,000 less than it was our first year in practice. The insurance companies continue to require more & pay less every year, and getting patients to actually commit to a treatment plan & then stick with it is few & far between. I have worked in the office with him for 11 years and have done all the insurance for 10. I've had outside jobs & went back to teaching part time about 3 years ago. We have now decided that I need to teach full time because we can't make ends meet. We have never been able to "pay ourselves." We don't just live pay check to pay check - but from deposit to deposit. It's an every day issue. We have tried all kinds of things - including paying out for coaches, etc. If it weren't for the fact that we were so in over our heads from the purchase of the practice, and everything else, we would have bailed years ago - or would be bailing now. We've been on an income based repayment plan for student loans for the last few years - but of course the interest on the student loans continues to accrue. I don't feel like we will ever be able to get out from under this situation and I'm tired of feeling helpless and like a failure. Especially after trying so hard for so long. I love chiropractic and what it does - but I truly have come to hate the profession itself - because it has not provided anything but stress (and a lot of it) for my family. It's bad when you have put so much money & time into a profession, but still live below the poverty line as a certified Doctor of Chiropractic. People don't understand chiropractic & how it works. Then you also have the situation of doctors who charge so little for their services to get people in the door that it causes problems for practitioners who try and bill insurance (or charge a fair fee for services). On the other side of that - you have doctors who have people pay huge amounts up front with huge treatment plans that put a bad taste in the public's mouth when they don't reimburse the patient if they discontinue care (which is illegal - at least in our state - by the way). I want to find a way out from under all this & have my husband do something that isn't so demoralizing after the many years of hard work - I'm so tired of feeling trapped!

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  18. Jodi, I believe if your husband is a DC he could find a job as an Radiologic technologist (XRAY TECH).

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  19. Thank you so much for sharing all of this information! My husband is trying to be a chiropractor in Leawood KS and so all of this is good to know!

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  20. NEW blog Post :

    A student's guide to leaving Life University DC program !

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  21. I would say just jump ship!! It feels no different than actually completing the program and exhausting all your post graduate avenues!!!! IMO and from my POV

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  22. I've been looking at a couple of your posts, and I think it's interesting; that is, I think it's interesting seeing a chiropractors life from the spouse's perspective. I've only been to a chiropractor in Naples FL and I've not once asked about his wife. I'll be sure to do so in the future :). Thanks for the posting!

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  23. So I went to a local community college to look at some of the Health science programs. The college would not take my A&P, Chem, or Microbio from Life University!!! However they would take High school A&P if I had it. That goes to show how the rest of America views a Chiropractic education. Too bad there's over 2,000 students at "Chiropractic Island" AKA Life University that will find this out the hard way!!!

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    1. Tis true. Any schooling my husband has pursued since chiro school won't touch his credits from Logan College of Chiropractic. This really sets you back when you want to teach. You will have to take classes and tests and comply until the Dept of Education deems you worthy to teach their secondary ed brats science or math in any state through an alternative route to license to teach when chiropractic doesn't make a living wage. Or simply start over into a new field. It is insane and infuriating.

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  24. Sophia, Nick and to the rest of you, I had no idea the situation in this profession was in the shape it is in. I am an SEO engineer/internet marketer and was always led to believe the chiropractic profession was rather lucrative. In fact I know several practicing chiropractors that are indeed earning big six figure incomes.

    I have no clue as to how they do it but I know the toys they own and palaces they live in demand that much earning and the expensive toys can't be bought with a credit card. I do some internet marketing for a chiropractor in my area and hope he is doing well.

    Thank you all for being so forthright and I truly hope for positive things to happen to all of you.

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    1. It's easy to figure out how your clients or friends have all that money. Capitalizing on pain with 4K care plans forcing the clients to do care credit, longevity having only paid a fraction of what anyone who has gone to school in the last 15 years have paid complete with clients to support a long time positive cash flow, alternative sources of income varying from supplements to coaching schemes or family support, financing opportunity early on when they were done with school long ago, and anything but luck! My husband has recently renewed his license and said the other day, "I am going to let it go." To justify fees, CE travel, and insurance he would be breaking even again or negative drawing from his budding teaching career.

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  25. I graduated from Western States Chiropractic College ( who recently removed the word "chiropractic" from their name) in 2001. There are two things that I know for a fact. 1) Chiropractic doesn't work. I coined a phrase to describe what chiropractic really is. Its "faith healing with sound effects" Feel free to steal it:) All DCs eventually figure this out. That is why they are susceptible to all the post chiro college hucksters, coaches and gurus and their promise of the new "technique" that will finally get them the practice they've always dreamed of. Its called "mining the miners" 2) Show me a monetarily successful chiropractor and Ill show you a white collar sociopath. Do you want to know how the DC down the street makes so much money? He lies. That is the secret to success in this business. He looks his suffering patient square in the face and says "I can cure you of all of your pain if you just trust me"...and BAM!!.. a new jet ski.
    As I read some of these posts I was astonished at the inability of people to accept reality. You are not struggling because chiropractic is misunderstood or insurance companies wont pay or some DCs charge too much or too little. Or whatever. Its simply because CHIROPRACTIC DOESN'T WORK!!! It was dreamed up by a couple of scumbags hoping to make their fortune ala Joseph Smith. Then it was legitimized by lobbyists and colleges. If you go to a plastic surgeon for boobs you walk out with boobs. That is why they are successful. We were lied to and ripped off. Let it go.
    Chiropractic nearly cost me my wife, my health and my sanity. I was trying to make sense out of nonsense and it was literally killing me. I don't care that I have no recourse because consumer protection doesn't apply to us. Ill never pay another dime to Sallie-Mae. To quote Shawn and Gus (Psych), They can SUCK IT! My job now is to fly stealthily under the radar and make my life as wonderful as is possible. Ill never financially recover from this but my wife loves me, I lost the stress induced 60lbs I gained and most of all Im happy again.

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